The Primacy of Consciousness?: #TheLifeboatNews #Sheldrake #EmergenceTheory #Emoto #Kirlian #Chladni #CERN

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Brand: #034 Science Vs God - Is There A Life Force That Transcends Matter? (with Rupert Sheldrake)

Posted by Sinister Burt

Thought you might like this Rhisiart. I've got some issues with his stuff, but i like the idea of it: https://art19.com/shows/under-the-skin/episodes/ef512f31-9891-4986-a641-0546f428fef8

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Logos Posted by Gerard Vril, chi, prana..pervade the world of matter giving it animus...Kirlian shows that pre-forms exist in the ether....they are the "resonant framework" of matter...trouble is we're so far down the rabbit hole now this sounds like absolute gobble-de-gook to many...remember though Kirlian has never been "disproved" only ignored...as is Emoto and much of the work of Chladni..ground penetrating radar very recently proved that the decaying organism continues to display an electro-magnetic profile for (possibly this has yet to be confirmed as I understand it), hundreds of years (one of the "attributes" of Stonehenge?), ... Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Logos Posted by Sinister Burt Chaldni's work on vibrating plates and what's called cymatics are not ignored - they're well understood through acoustic theory (resonance/harmonics of a surface (closely related to the shape of atomic orbitals)). Emoto's pictures are pretty but he wasn't very scientific. I find Sheldrake interesting, but i felt that both him and brand were slightly guilty of arguing with a strawman of baddie materialist science in places - fair enough for brand, but Sheldrake should be better than that (i suppose so many years of only getting the flaky gigs his spiel has adapted to his environment) - maybe it was just me. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Logos Posted by Ken Waldron slightly guilty of arguing with a strawman of baddie materialist science in places... ... maybe it was just me. No. I felt that too. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Logos Posted by Subhi "a strawman of baddie materialist science" I wonder if you might find this text interesting, written by Longchen Rabjam, it deals with an approach to understanding apparent reality, the source of situations and experience from a quite different angle that of the basic space of phenomena if you are not familiar with the arcane and difficult philosophical underpinnings of all this I think the wonder of Lonchenpa was that he expresses this view with such forceful simplicity if you're unfamiliar with it and interested in these things you may enjoy, to avoid some early jargon and religious like stuff i would suggest going to page five and starting from "Mind itself is a vast expanse, the realm of unchanging space. Its indeterminate display is the expanse of the magical expression of its responsiveness." link is to a pdf of the whole text, despite its outrageous imperious assertions a lot of history behind it all, its good fun and very different analysis, from the point of view of Dzogchen or "the Great Perfection" an amalgamation of shamanism, sanskrit madhyamika philosophy and the psycho-physical disciplines of Vajrayana Buddhism, if that hasn't put you off link below http://promienie.net/images/dharma/books/longchenpa_treasury-of-the-basic-space-of-phenomena.pdf Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Logos Posted by Sinister Burt Thanks - My dad was a Buddhist and he'd talk to me about Dzogchen among other stuff, so that didn't put me off (the length of the text might). I certainly see the value in the philosophy and epistemology, and even physics and cosmology of lots of Buddhist thought (as well as the 'spiritual' aspects), even if I’m not a Buddhist (i like the pictures too). I'll give it a read (though i should look through my shelves because my dad probably had it (i inherited his books)) Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Logos Posted by Gerard Elegantly put...I know exactly what you mean...it's easier to run down people than it is their ideas...it's not constructive..just bats the ball back and forward..but it's amazing how lucrative that can be... Top of Form Bottom of Form

Consciousness: Physics and eastern wisdom Posted by Sherwoodian I find the subject of consciousness fascinating, esp. the different approaches taken by science (consciousness arises spontaneously when a huge number of neural cells link together to form a computer made of meat) and by eastern teachings which is that consciousness is a basic property of the universe, like matter, space, time, etc. Many physicists (Tom Campbell, Peter Russell, Amit Goswami, and Deepak Chopra (a medic)) have great works on this topic, eg: Top of Form Bottom of Form

Got to add a Tom Campbell link to this thread, obviously. To my mind his Big TOE is the most compreh Posted by Rhisiart Gwilym -ensive handling of this matter that I know; and a theory that rings with that deeply satisfying, occamistic elegance which scientists so prize as a reliable mark of authenticity. For my money, the video sequences, though long, are the easiest way into Tom's oeuvre, with the presentations at Calgary U and - more recently - in Los Angeles as the most lucid expositions of the science behind his view. Forty years or more in the development, and lots of repeated experimental work done in that time to refine his grasp of the realities of which he speaks. Literally, I know of no-one else who's done so much in this field. I always reckon he's destined to be the next big name in the history of science, following on in the sequence: Copernicus/Galileo, Descartes, Newton, Darwin, the quantum mechanics, Einstein/Bohr; one of the main pioneers of the next big paradigm shift; the next big Kuhnian scientific revolution: http://www.my-big-toe.com Most highly recommended for determined, persistent study - and practice too, please note; Tom teaches a good deal about how to use his insights practically, in daily life; and about the soul-liberating, optimistic worldview that springs from his theory (sic!); a liberation urgently needed in this time of global pessimism. (Do you get an inkling of why, despite all the gloom in the news, I remain cheerful and optimistic?) As you learn more about his TOE, you notice - as does Tom himself - that his ideas tally closely with the 'ancient wisdom' traditions of such philosophies as Tibetan Buddhism, Taoism, much of the early foundations of Hinduism, Christian and Sufi mysticism, Toltec nagualism (as described by Castaneda), and so on; many streams of thought, all originating in very ancient insights gleaned from the widely - no, universally - distributed shamanism of human prehistory. In the long-standing strife between materialism and idealism, the pendulum is now beginning a big new swing back towards the idealism pole, as we finally have to come to terms with the primacy of mind in all branches of scientific endeavour; particularly physics, piquantly enough. It's the big ferment there now... No wonder the bigoted apostles of extreme materialist scientism are so pissed off with people like Rupert Sheldrake, who's been demonstrating this reality with lots of elegant experimental work for years. And him a biologist too rather than a physicist! As he jokes himself, he's seen as the antichrist of physics! Top of Form Bottom of Form

PS: Great Russ/Rupe chat! Well worth the time. Diolch yn fawr, Burt! NOM Posted by Rhisiart Gwilym Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Got to add a Tom Campbell link to this thread, obviously. To my mind his Big TOE is the most compreh Posted by Gerard Consciousness does indeed have "primacy"...very interesting Rhis thanks... Top of Form Bottom of Form

Consciousness is the matterless piece of the unverse that we capture when born Posted by Shyaku ..and which rejoins the universe when we die. And awareness is the extent of our ability to know this. Physically, we are complex machines for interpreting the physical world to our consciousness. Mentally, we are storing and learning and interpreting the physical information. There is a dualism: This dualism exists as the two problems that will always remain to science: (a) The nature of consciousness (it is without matter in our 4 dimensional world that the brain can interpret), (b) What existed before the big bang? Everything since then, in the span of time we can measure, in the material world we can interpret, being within the 4 dimensional world that we interact with. - Regards, Shyaku Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Consciousness is the matterless piece of the unverse that we capture when born Posted by Gerard "Mentally, we are storing and learning and interpreting the physical information." Yes but what for? #Karma Top of Form Bottom of Form

To escape prey, make fire and build tools! Posted by Shyaku That is the easy part to answer. If we could not escape prey and build defensive tools, use fire to light caves and frighten off predators when we descended from the tree tops to the savannah, we would not be here sunshine :-) Shyaku Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: To escape prey, make fire and build tools! Posted by Gerard Ah...yes agreed..but I meant individually...if it's all gonna be deleted when you die..what's it for...! Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: To escape prey, make fire and build tools! Posted by Shyaku I think I understand your question: You are saying that reincarnation takes something, some quality, from one life to the next, and what is this quality (?) Its a good question, I guess if reincarnation exists, then there is a two-way interaction between awareness and consciousness such that a growing awareness of consciousness in a lifetime propels a larger portion into a new life at the time of death in a process that only stops when that portion becomes infinite in size meaning that full awareness is achieved (the person becomes pure consciousness). Something like that, perhaps? Top of Form Bottom of Form

BAD #Karma? Posted by Gerard Sorry missed this one..yes indeedy...indeedy do! Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: To escape prey, make fire and build tools! Posted by Gerard "a larger portion into a new life at the time of death" Something like that..although the 3d notion of size is perhaps a little mechanistic..perhaps "more coherent"..or "in greater harmony"..or not (you might come back as a gastropod according to some systems), which is where we get notions of "heaven and hell" in the monotheistic religions (even though "Hel" was nicked from the Pantheists -the notion that they might "want it back" is not one I have until now considered-), Buddhism sees this "Hel" as endless repetition, never progressing... Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: "Hel" Her not "it"..apologies.. nm Posted by Gerard .. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Thanks for the correction. Nm. Posted by Shyaku .. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Yes Posted by Shyaku Yes I was also thinking, while I was writing that the notion of size makes no sense, I agree. It would be a quality that acts as a surrogate for magnitude. After all, in particle physics, quarks have named character such as 'charm', 'color', 'strangeness' etc that are purely anthropomorphic. I really like your ideas of 'more coherent', 'greater harmony' etc. Best regards, Shyaku Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Yes Posted by Gerard Then you are no fool..check Muz out he's a scream!! "Sharing The Quest" Is the book..highly recommended a very, very good read (Element Books), ..his website is linked from the YouTube channel (below), . Top of Form Bottom of Form

Good math though.. Posted by Gerard It does if you're considering a wave that expands until ultimate harmonic resonance is achieved.... (as an ongoing thought experiment? Comment 05/01/18 Ed.) Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Consciousness is the matterless piece of the unverse that we capture when born Posted by Gerard "What existed before the big bang? Everything since then, in the span of time we can measure*, in the material world we can interpret, being within the 4 dimensional world that we interact with." *Time is relative. Nothing..because there wasn't one....having one presupposes there was a before..this Big Bang "took and shook the world" alright....it was universal in it's effects (the bomb), quantum does indeed apply... In The Vedas and the Bible "The beginning was the word"..and what is the "word"? It is the realisation of the potential of human consciousness, principle applied resolves the dichotomy..the only way it ever was a "Big Bang" is in the sexual sense...Nuith and Hadith..the male and female principles.....Kernunnnos and Arianrhod..the lingam and the yoni...is it any coincidence that in his "nuts and bolts" obsession man has lost his nuts and replaced them with Frankenstein’s bolts? Western man controls the material (he thinks), all that is without is under his control...but he has over extended himself, the inner being withers and dies and the outer world collapses as a result...we are weak within, Turtleman will recognise the being I describe...in truth friend an organism that needs good psychotherapy far more..but psychotherapy on a mind controlling drugs?! You may as well just poor petrol on the fire..the new intersectionalities are there as distractions....they have the vocabulary (well some of it), but none of the application, unless that is you are in the military and they think you may still be of some use killing people! Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Consciousness is the matterless piece of the unverse that we capture when born Posted by Shyaku The span of time we can measure is 13.7 billion years. That is the time since space-time began. What came before time? It is a zen koan because time started 13.7 billion years ago. That was the beginning of our 4-dimensional universe. By inference, this universe must have been created from a higher, or different dimensionality since the time dimension did not exist prior to the start of time in our universe. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Misapprehension old fruit.. Posted by Gerard We can only measure that which our devices span..that which experientially we have quantified..think of say the supernova issue...if a big enough one goes off relatively locally we could be wiped out by gamma rays....but the experience of the species (and we are approaching the Chandrasekhar limit here -consciousness-), does not yet extend to that conception therefore we ignore it.....human kind needs first to understand that these things effect it before it can quantify those effects...all is not as it seems... "*The Bose-Einsteinian halo (see italiscised re: Heisenberg -below-), demographic cannot be established (strange that that doesn't seem to have been), for this is where the Continuum Hypothesis and the Axiom of Choice meet (n'est ce pas?), .. (similar to Chandrasekhar), simply banging-the-rocks-together in frustration doesn't change the facts! Sigma..the "standard variation" is hardly that! It may pertain here to the "Standard" model but its variables are Khaos, the demographic cannot be populated..as a result the whole particle beam "theory" disappears.. ("if I bash this with a hammer it will break!" Good "theory"?)., look at it this way.."imagine you have two watches, you want to see how a watch works so you smash them together and examine what remains!" Examine what remains? It never occurred to anyone to invent a screwdriver? (...or maybe it did?) The notion of an "event horizon" was (apparently), de-popularised by Stephen Hawking, however I am not necessarily at variance with the good doctor here because as I think Prof. Hawking would point out we have been tending since inception, our current observations are simply that..what is not fully realised is that we are now "relatively" closer to the event concerned, go to: http://www.nature.com/news/stephen-hawking-there-are-no-black-holes-1.14583 Quote: "Perhaps the questions we need to ask Prof.Hawking are;"If we can observe multiple singularities does this tell us that there are multiple Universes or that there are multiple potential Universes, or quite the reverse (that there are not)?" "Unsustainable Economy"; another way of expressing zero? Newton: The point about "Deflation" is that it is an accelerative process (hence "Mobius"), our participation precludes observation (some might say, "obviously" ), if you take-this-on-board and then include "Emergence Theory" tensor calculus the results become extremely suggestive (go to: http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~sfoster/ )" Go to: http://gkhales.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/hawking-susskind-and-cohen-sets-and.html Politically too the administration of CERN must surely be questioned with regard to its "closeness" to firms such as Lockheed Martin whose (not un-publicly disclosed), aim is to capitalise on its investment by building fusion reactors using fuel produced in L.H.Cs. Perpetual motion snake-oil salesmen (and women)! Only gravity can create a star...fusion reactions can be produced, fusion reactors are a juvenile fantasy (at least the Drake Equation was originally treated as a "bit of fun", strange how it has crept back into the standard text, however the sensitive nature of the initial conditions must not be overlooked -re: the creation of life-),....... "What happened to him?" "He said, "think outside the box"." "Yeah?" "To the cat!" "It's a dark telescope that illuminates nothing!" "Expanded from what into what?" Isn't a joke..there is a sensitive dependence on the initial conditions..mathematically you cannot proceed from this point (or as the Irishman said; "If you want to get to Rome I wouldn't start from here"), try it.... It is for these reasons (and many others), that we do not postulate that The Universe began at 3.42 pm on a wet Thursday afternoon sometime in April (in Guildford!), ...Time (the continuum), is relative you were not born when I was born, I will not die when you die (as a general rule -those "others" we might define as "star-crossed"-), and our individual environments, bodily functions, actions etc. during the day all occur at? Different speeds......Time does indeed display both Alpha and Omega but these are relative for all who inhabit the continuum. When we do commune it is necessary to harmonise these energies (a riot is a good example of "disharmonious" energy)." http://www.arafel.co.uk/2015/09/the-epidemiology-of-khaos-or-problem.html Consider the Antikythera Mechanism, all has reference to itself..through observation...but these frequencies and periodicities do not describe a linear process..this is because time is relative.. Top of Form Bottom of Form

You are very, very good at what you do .. Posted by Shyaku Namely at increasing the entropy of the board by inserting randomness in random places. Fair enough, I suppose I asked for it. I hope my expression of respect for you skill is sufficient to bring this thread to an end now, but I am not posing that as a question. Top of Form Bottom of Form

What Khaos? Posted by Gerard ...I have done nothing but attempt to explain the science I have been taught (and learned myself), .. over more than three decades...my life's work mate..because as I'm sure the Man on the Clapham Omnibus would tell you...I don't do anything else....What randomness I ask again?...You are labouring under a misapprehension..fact....I'm sure you're not a bad person or a fool and I'm not attempting to run you down in any personal way (which you are), and this "skill" you describe is damn near all I have left friend..attempting to prevent further discourse is juvenile..do try to see the person as well as the issue.. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: What Khaos? Posted by Shyaku I am very, very sorry about my misunderstanding. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: You are very, very good at what you do .. Posted by Gerard Is it the "supernova" segue that got you? It's called "thinking outside the box" Man! Applied logic...when man doesn't understand something "fight or flight" take over... Top of Form Bottom of Form

I apologize. Posted by Shyaku Brilliant, brilliant. Sorry. I am very, very sorry. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: I apologize. Posted by Gerard ..I hope the cheque is in the post!! Seriously..at least you're an honest sort.."Mr.Miyagi how come you Fukushima?" "Nobody prefecture!" Sorry I missed your other post...do check my response.. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: I apologize. Posted by Shyaku You are right that I didn't understand your long post. This is true. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: I apologize. Posted by Gerard Honestly.....Getting "ducks in a row" is hard sometimes when the calculating mind has near atrophied...constantly irritates me how certain skills are taught but then never applied..because we weren't taught to apply them properly in the first place...it embarrasses me how cr*p I am am at math.. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: I apologize. Posted by Shyaku I am the opposite: The analytical mind is tooooo active :-) I have to make a conscious effort not to make an analytical problem out of everything. Best regards, Shyaku. Top of Form Bottom of Form

It embarrasses me how crap I am at everything except maths (and most maths too, even more sadly!).nm Posted by Twirlip Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: It embarrasses me how crap I am at everything except maths (and most maths too, even more sadly!).nm Posted by Gerard He he he....oh ho ho ho ho.... (no not you), ...eh he he he he! Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: It embarrasses me how crap I am at everything except maths (and most maths too, even more sadly!).nm Posted by Gerard What you posted below would I think stretch most of us T.. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Like Trump (one presumes), I don't lack "IQ" - but that doesn't mean I'm not an idiot. :) [nm] Posted by Twirlip nm Top of Form Bottom of Form

I've got a ferret sticking up my nose. [nm] Posted by Twirlip Top of Form Bottom of Form

Love you man. Nm. Posted by Shyaku .. Top of Form Bottom of Form

P.S Posted by Gerard That "Hammer" has a name... Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Consciousness is the matterless piece of the unverse that we capture when born Posted by turtleman The Big Bang is only a theory. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Dead right man .. Posted by Shyaku It is only a theory. ..or to be more precise... ..it is a theory :-) Regards, Shyaku Top of Form Bottom of Form

A theory .. Posted by Shyaku "A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can be repeatedly tested, in accordance with the scientific method, using a predefined protocol of observation and experiment. Established scientific theories have withstood rigorous scrutiny and embody scientific knowledge. The definition of a scientific theory (often contracted to "theory" for the sake of brevity) as used in the disciplines of science is significantly different from the common vernacular usage of the word "theory". In everyday speech, "theory" can imply that something is an unsubstantiated and speculative guess, the opposite its meaning in science. These different usages are comparable to the opposing usages of "prediction" in science versus everyday speech, where it denotes a mere hope." http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory - Regards, Shyaku. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: A theory .. Posted by Gerard Hmmmm..circumlocution...do we now describe say "Plate Tectonics" as a "theory"..? Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: A theory .. Posted by Shyaku ...as opposed to ... ? Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: A theory .. Posted by Gerard "Plate Tectonics" ..sorry..but yes I think the scientists may be avoiding the linguistic niceties there because they're trying to pretend they can claw their way back out of the rabbit-hole..but that may just be me... Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: A theory .. Posted by turtleman Okay, but I use the word like scientists do (I reject the hopeful life). So, I theorize all the time but my theories aren't all that hopeful, and they are based on some kind of evidence. Big Bang can be a false reading of red shift, among many other things having to do with misunderstanding about space/time and our measurements of them over such grand cosmic scales. Etc. Also, Big Bang opens another can of worms, because if it is true, what does it mean. Is it an oscillating universe (bang-crunch-bang-crunch etc) or is it a one time thing? And that kind of shit leads to crazy yelling matches between religionists and rationalists, could even turn rationalists into religionists, so then you have the rationalists yelling at the born-again ex-rationalists and then the religionists are yelling at them over theologies and then they're all yelling back at the rationalists and . . . Isn't it just easier to believe in God, flood your senses with a daily dose of gratitude, love your neighbour as yourself, etc.?   turtleman Top of Form Bottom of Form

Big bang comes from the expanding universe .. Posted by Shyaku I guess every scientific theory: - Has assumptions - explains observations - makes predictions. The test of a good one is that early predictions are later confirmed by new observations, and no new observations seem to contradict it. A good theory tends to end up as the one that can account for (explain) the greatest number of observations (maybe all of them). I guess you can argue that the assumptions are wrong (measurements over large scale follow rules that we misunderstand), but then you are left with a whole body of observations in various areas for which there is no alternative explanation that can tie them all together ... At least not a scientific one :-) - Regards, Shyaku Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: A theory .. P.S. Posted by turtleman To be clear, when I ask, "Isn't it easier to believe in God. . . ?" I am asking it in context of comparing it with the difficulty of science or rationality to prove the nature of and reason for existence itself. I believe science and rationality are exceedingly limited (to near absolute zero) in its ability to answer such questions. Therefore, comparatively, it is far easier to believe in God (in the way I describe). But apart from that comparison, of course, believing in God (as I describe, which is to love others as yourself, and to daily flood your being with gratitude and awe) is exceedingly difficult to do, and those very few who achieve it are what I consider truly smart, wise, strong and heroic people. To explain the purpose of my posts in this thread: I have had an allergic reaction to arguments about the existence of God, the Big Bang, consciousness etc. for some time now. The reason is I believe the wrong questions are being asked, and therefore the apparent goal behind the common questions are missing the target. There is absolutely no way a human can prove what and why the universe is, or if there is or isn't a God (Prime Mover, creator, Unified Consciousness Field, whatever). So, neither believing in God, NOR "outgrowing" that belief (like one does with Santa Claus) will save us. Only gratitude, awe, love, courage, and faith will save us. Science is wonderful, but has its limits and proper place. Religion is wonderful, but has its limits and proper place. Mind, however, and Love, are limitless. The Golden Rule is our surest bet, if fervently applied, for gaining access to that infinite well. Very hard to do. We all fall way short. BUT, its endlessly easier to do than proving the nature of existence through science! turtleman Top of Form Bottom of Form

False alternative: monotheism (Christian or other) is not the sole alternative to scientism. Posted by Twirlip (But I share your aversion to discussing such things, which mostly seem to me to be too deep for words. Unfortunately, silence has never served me well, either!) Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: False alternative: monotheism (Christian or other) is not the sole alternative to scientism. Posted by turtleman God should not be seen as a thing or things (mono or poly) but as a way. The Golden Rule is not religious belief, but a law of life. I am not pushing or endorsing religion. There are hundreds of millions of religious people on earth. Hardly a "very few"! I wasn't referring to them, but the very few who attain a high degree of consciousness, wisdom, courage, faith and love. (And I don't count myself among such heroes!) The reason I have an aversion to discussions on the nature of existence is because it is an exceedingly pompous activity for mere humans to presume the ability to answer. It's the wrong question, and its goal is the wrong objective. I do, however, enjoy exultant discussions on the mystery of existence. When people gather around a table, with food and wine, and share moments of Holy KaZOWY frikkin' WOW . . . WOW WOW WOW . . . well, I LOVE that stuff. But 'scientific' discussions about love, God and the universe bore me. Although, I do love astronomy and chemistry and cosmology. But those disciplines don't attempt to define or dismiss God or explain the nature of existence. They simply map out, investigate and describe the physical phenomenon of cosmic mechanics. And Einstein was a fine example of a brilliant and advanced scientific mind who simultaneously lived in the Divine Question and viewed existence with humility and wonder. I guess it's the hard-core materialists that really burn my ass. turtleman Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: False alternative: monotheism (Christian or other) is not the sole alternative to scientism. Posted by Gerard However if we are about to gurgle ourselves out of existence (at our own infantile behest), a discussion on how things work is necessary....carpe diem is a principle of evolution...this is no time to rest on our laurels... Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: False alternative: monotheism (Christian or other) is not the sole alternative to scientism. Posted by Gerard The "Do" or "Dao"..indeed..Muz's book is called "Sharing the Quest" he's no fool and a very likeable guy..he teaches real yoga no dilettante rubbish..my Chan instructor too of-course also believes that our brooks should babel in harmony.....a very different conception from the Socially Darwinistic conception of supremacy that we have allowed to dominate our lives.. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Disappointment arises from excessive expectation ... Posted by Shyaku Science is ONLY an explanation of the material world. Engineering is a triumphant validation of science's mastery of certain aspects of the material world. For example, I can communicate with Tman :-) BUT any claims by science to do more than the above, are likely to be false claims, or pseudoscience, junk science, etc. Don't look to science to resolve existential problems, and you won't be disappointed. Yes, science is converging now, on its boundary: The singularity at the time of the big bang - what was that? The brain, as the seat of both objective neurobiology and the subjectivity of our link with the soul - what's with that? Will science have a theory that fits subjective observations? I personally doubt it greatly, but I don't have any concrete insights to offer. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Disappointment arises from excessive expectation ... Posted by turtleman Well, yes I concur with most of that. Like I say, I liked Einstein's attitude and despise Dawkin's attitude. My beef is with the hard-core materialist atheists. As responsible humans we simply must revive the existential and moral imperative. cheers, turtleman Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Disappointment arises from excessive expectation ... Posted by Gerard You can be a decent moral humanist many are..it's evangilising for it that annoys me.. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Disappointment arises from excessive expectation ... Posted by Shyaku Yup, this is true too. How about an evangelizing hard-core materialist? :-) Regards, Shyaku Top of Form Bottom of Form

Go bang you head! nm Posted by Gerard ... Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Disappointment arises from excessive expectation ... Posted by Shyaku I am totally with you on that. - Regards, Shyaku. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: A theory .. P.S. Posted by Gerard Not "prove" only share...agreed.. Top of Form Bottom of Form

What is Mind? Posted by turtleman Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Consciousness: Physics and eastern wisdom Posted by Sinister Burt I tend (at the moment) towards thinking that consciousness is a property of the universe but only in the sense that it inevitably will emerge from self-organisation (or is a complex form of the same), which itself is an inevitable property of the universe (eg the way i described resonance in an answer to Gerard below). The property of self-organisation (if you can call it a property) balances together with entropy like the dance of shiva (in my vague understanding). (Self-)consciousness doesn't/can't exist in a single neuron, but only in connecting together with billions of others - it's the connection or pattern of relation that's where the self-consciousness lives - just the same way that one ant doesn't make an ant colony - the colony emerges from the ants following a few simple chemical rules. To separate awareness/consciousness from self-consciousness - I have experienced dissolution of my self-consciousness and was left with a timeless sort of awareness - i speculated that maybe this was either my 'left brain' turning off or the underlying collective awareness of all my cells. Whether it's this or something even less tangible (eg unprovable macguffins like string theory, '"God"' or quantum doodads), it fit the general description of brahman or similar concepts. I could just have been on drugs though When i said sheldrake was addressing a strawman, i meant that in modern complexity theory seems to be some potential to explain many of the things he touches on wihtout recourse to non-materialism - eg study of how complex systems create novelty spontaneously, and even learn or 'remember' things (eg the DNA system). That's not to say i'm arguing against him from a position of materialism necessarily, just that i would have been interested in how he addressed that stuff. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Consciousness: Physics and eastern wisdom Posted by Shyaku The more complex the organism, the bigger the chunk of universal consciousness it can capture. I feel that consciousness does not emerge from complex organization, but rather, complex organization captures a bigger chunk of a universal consciousness as the complexity arises and fur the duration of its period of life. The question of populations is a fascinating one. Biology enacts all incremental solutions, from chemical signaling (dictyostelium, quorum sensing) to behavioral solutions only (ants, dolphins) to evolutionary solutions (quasi-species) to none at all. In all cases though, the key to precise definition is in the realm genetic lineage. This distinguishes mosaicism from multicellularity. - Regards, Shyaku. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Karma Posted by Gerard Yes..but where you and the mystics et.al differ is that they believe this "missing piece" has autonomy once manifested and can only "return" (as you might put it), to the Ocean of "Being" (or non-being depending on your bent), once those aspects of the Universe required to manifest in the first place are re-integrated (for want of a better word), into the "Cosmic All"...Karma....the other perspective carries no lessons or "education", the little self just disappears no consequences to its incarnation (in other words "Do what Thou Wilt"), Another example (one perhaps you're more familiar with), take vegetarianism or veganism People argue "but we are an omnivorous species, why shouldn't I be a carnivore?" The answer is you are omnivorous because you have (and I'm "going there") , "Free Will" (for want of a more prosiac PC term), and can therefore choose such-and-such course of action this includes with regard to conservation and husbandry et.al*), ...without the ability to choose we are nothing...and (but you may not like this), would not exist! "The Snake, The Tree and The Apple" "Good afternoon Isssssac may I be of sssssome asssssssisssssstanccce?" *Edit underlined 01/01/18 and 05/01/18 Ed. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Karma Posted by Shyaku Thanks, yes, I agree that if every belief system is taken literally they clash. Best regards, Shyaku Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Consciousness: Physics and eastern wisdom Posted by Sinister Burt I've sympathy with that view and have had it myself (ie consciousness underlies reality in some way), but at the moment it's too much to assume for me. When i see how novelty can arise from nothing more mysterious than having an excess of energy and multiple interacting parts, and this alongside darwinian selection can be enough to create the chain of complexity all the way up to self-consciousness, this seems enough to me. Genetic lineage is the incremental base from which interacting complex networks can possibly create the more substantial less incremental changes at the cellular level (eg a hox gene switching an extra leg on). You could abstract the process of self-organisation and call it a form of consciousness (ie tendency to novelty), balanced against the tendency towards information loss (entropy, which is also a bottom up self-organised process in a sense (ie only visible at large scales)) I distinguish consciousness from self-consciousness and tend to believe consciousness is the same as aliveness and present in all cells that can react/interact with the environment. Maybe this is the basis of the underlying awareness which we (as cellular beings) experience as ground of being/brahman/underlying consciousness (or maybe a similar principle applies all the way down into chemistry/physics). Another subjective view i've had is that the dichotomy between our lived experience and 'timeless god space' is simply time: when we're alive we're stuck in a linear experience of time unfolding in only one direction, but upon death or dissolution of consciousness we revert to inherent timelessness of all matter; namely we still exist in all the moments we lived through all at once for ever in a big Einstein-style four dimensional manifold (or in short the afterlife is your whole life (bit like Nietzsche’s eternal recurrence)). I oscillate in these views all the time though (Depends which book i've been reading recently) - (disclaimer: and as you can tell it's all unqualified waffle as usual). Top of Form Bottom of Form

Very interesting thoughts Posted by Shyaku Thanks I cannot argue against your view, since everything I state beyond it is 100% subjective. You can say that everything including consciousness is material, and you can say that a 'god like' state is merely the absence of the linear time dimension. Two predictions may follow from your position: (1) if consciousness is material, the soul has mass. Even if it is pure energy it still has mass because mass is energy. Similarly, it should be ablatable either physically or genetically. We already have 20,000 or so mouse strains with individual coding-gene knockouts. (2) As neuroscience progresses over the next 25 yrs, as it will tremendously and maybe exponentially, there should be no progress at all in defining the nature of consciousness if it is in the realm of the non-material. Best regards, Shyaku, Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Very interesting thoughts Posted by Gerard Or the soul as the traveling wave? Bert's very clear..we are all products of our backgrounds and cultures...I'm sure most here have noticed how "catholic" my tastes are for instance...good post B you're being a d**n site more coherent than many who speculate about this stuff.. (esp. those who do so for their own gain), .. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Very interesting thoughts Posted by Sinister Burt But if consciousness is, like other complex things only present in the relation of lots of parts interacting, but it's not in the parts themselves, is this pattern of relation material or non-material? (Considering that information can be abstracted and converted into other forms). Is a symphony material? the strings of the violins are but the symphony doesn't exist there, and yet a symphony can be thought to have an existence and a place in time (this is Paul Davies' analogy). Is information material? i'm not sure - these are slippery subjects (eg i seem to remember someone saying matter is information), but i have the feeling that the material/nonmaterial dichotomy is unhelpful or misleading, or simply dependant on what a person considers material eg if we discovered proof of string theory would lots of things previously considered non-material just become a new materialism? Would some of the present non-materialists then just find some new thing to be non-materialist about? Top of Form Bottom of Form

Spirits in the material Posted by Gerard ..I don't think so... #EmergenceTheory you see..quantum applies the realisation cannot come without the actualisation..therefore in order to evolve man must detach himself (literally), from the material world...people may not like religion but it's in many of them and as we know the Maya predicted a "jumping off" point which is why they didn't continue the almanac, they knew that under such conditions our choice was either/or and you can't predict choices.. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Spirits in the material Posted by Gerard ..although that's not quite what you asked..non-materialist remain non-materialists?..Yes I should think so..until they don't need to be anymore.. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Emergent properties ... Posted by Shyaku Thanks for your incredibly insightful and enriching thoughts. Yes, one of the things that makes biology unique, with respect to chemistry and physics for example, is 'emergent properties'. Totally true. I would maybe suggest, however, that the symphony doesn't exist :-) and maybe information doesn't exist. What exists may be your reaction to or interpretation of patterns in the medium? Regards, Shyaku. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Emergent properties ... Posted by Gerard Possibly...trouble is in an "Emergency" the sword cuts both ways.. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Emergent properties ... Posted by Sinister Burt Too kind, ta, but i'm probably just regurgitating from Fritjof Capra's 'Systems View of Life' (which i bought after someone here mentioned it) among other books. Maybe so (the symphony) - if so, is non-existence the same as non-material? The symphony can only exist in relation between multiple people and objects, just as a society can, and even a personality (no man is an island etc) - each of these could be said to not be 'real' in a reductionist physical sense, only in patterns of connections which are only detectable holistically at a certain scale, and yet they seem to be more objective/real than an internal perceptual construct of my own (we're back to Kant now i guess). As i touched on above (or maybe in another post - the thread's confusing now), i understand entropy to also be an emergent property (it doesn't exist in a single particle) and maybe the fundamental forces too (emergent from 'superforce'); along with many complex systems that don't qualify as biology (stars etc). Maybe the definition of biology needs to be expanded, or maybe there simply is no division and the tendency to self organisation found throughout inorganic matter is the same as the similar systems found in organic matter (obviously organic chemistry will have the more impressive systems - that's what defines it as organic) - this view handily can also dovetail with all manner of pantheistic cosmologies (that i'm also attracted to 'subjectively'). As for information, i wont pretend to fully understand (more than usual anyway) how physicists talk about it, but this link is an interesting round up i found when trying to answer your last point: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/blogs/physics/2014/04/is-information-fundamental/ Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Emergent properties ... Posted by Gerard Reminds me of Schrodinger's cat... Does a man born into a situation where after parenting they are alone exist? He would exist only in the memories of his parents..his own memories... Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Consciousness: Physics and eastern wisdom Posted by Gerard "String theory" is a large mite (particle do-dah), more provable than "Ghaad!".. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Consciousness: Physics and eastern wisdom Posted by Sinister Burt Not really - it's pretty maths that would explain a lot (if you assume 11 or 21 extra dimensions (i forget the number), but it's by definition unprovable (in the terms of the theory - at least currently), which is why many physicists don't bother thinking about it much. I consider string theory to be similar to god in provability - that's not to denigrate either view particularly; i'm agnostic on both. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Consciousness: Physics and eastern wisdom Posted by Gerard I would suggest other more experiential methodologies for my proof there...involving the use of energies...."Arian -Rhod" was also "Spider-Goddess" the thread spinner and web weaver..in yoga there are 72,000 nadis which connect us to the patterns at our moment of birth and the rest of the universe...these energy channels* are part of what inform acupressure and acupuncture etc. *"Harmonic axioms" Edited today 01/01/18 Ed. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Consciousness: Physics and eastern wisdom Posted by Twirlip You wrote: I tend (at the moment) towards thinking that consciousness is a property of the universe but only in the sense that it inevitably will emerge from self-organisation (or is a complex form of the same), which itself is an inevitable property of the universe (eg the way i described resonance in an answer to Gerard below). The property of self-organisation (if you can call it a property) balances together with entropy like the dance of Shiva (in my vague understanding). (Self-)consciousness doesn't/can't exist in a single neuron, but only in connecting together with billions of others - it's the connection or pattern of relation that's where the self-consciousness lives - just the same way that one ant doesn't make an ant colony - the colony emerges from the ants following a few simple chemical rules. Suppose, for the sake of argument, that this is true. Now, contemplate another universe in which exactly the same complex physical processes go on, following exactly the same physical laws, but there is no consciousness. How, physically, could one tell these two universes apart? If there is no physical way to tell them apart, then how can it be true, as supposed, that physical processes, merely by manifesting complexity, necessarily give rise to consciousness? This would appear to be a case of a physical theory purporting to explain a phenomena that is not known in an objective physical manner, even while, by definition, the theory contains no terms involving the phenomenon in question. But no theory can honestly explain a phenomenon that cannot even be named in terms of that theory! (I hope I've put that clearly - I don't tend to get involved in philosophical arguments - but if it seems to make some sense, yet isn't quite clear enough, I'll see if I can rephrase it.) Top of Form Bottom of Form

Correction: please change "a phenomena" to "a phenomenon"! (Unfinished edit.) [nm] Posted by Twirlip nm Top of Form Bottom of Form

Wow! nm Posted by Gerard ... Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Consciousness: Physics and eastern wisdom Posted by Gerard There are however physical and mental processes which when combined with a willingness to apply an open mind intimate a greater dialogue than the myopic material driven obsessions we all beef about here everyday, simple ones too like visiting a stone circle or standing stone.....circle dancing round a large Scots Pine with 25 other people might do it......human potential is unlimited...we limit ourselves..there are many otherwise "occult" practices which give a glimpse...we just need to make space for them in our lives.. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Consciousness: Physics and eastern wisdom Posted by Sinister Burt Twirlip: Well i was probably just trying to agree and not agree like i do (pathetic people pleaser that i am) - after all an emergent property can't really be inherent (but that would go for entropy too i guess, or even the fundamental forces in some views (superforce etc)). I suppose i was also slipping into Teillhard de Chardin type of view of thinking increase in information/complexity would inevitably lead to more consciousness over time; but i'm meaning consciousness in the wider sense of just life i suppose rather than necessarily self-consciousness as we'd understand; and further i'd accept a quite wide definition of consciousness in this context - eg a star responds to it's environment and finds a fairly improbable equilibrium through self-organisation - seems quite alive to me, like many non-organic complex systems that simply exist as patterns of relation - maybe i'm just conflating self-organisation with consciousness (but we're abstracting anyway). This emergent view of consciousness that i currently entertain (always open to offers) is a little 'ghost in the machine' for some people (but i guess it would be ironic for the average non-materialist to argue from this position). But also a physical theory can have completely unpredictable/novel results even if it's all determined at a physical/particle level eg the exact path of evolution (including consciousness) cannot be known in advance even in principle, just like long term weather, and yet it would still be considered a strong physical theory (or a subset of physics). I'm not wording any of this well as i'm vaguely remembering stuff from Stuart Kauffman, Melanie Mitchell and Fritjof Capra books i read not long ago (from what you've said before i think i trust your understanding of maths and probably theory better than my own (my maths is mostly visual/data flow programming max/pd (ie trial and error)) Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Consciousness: Physics and eastern wisdom Posted by Gerard "after all an emergent property can't really be inherent" Yes it can...the continuum of potential remains until actualised..this requires the application of principle...but emergence is inherent to potential..that consciousness should "expand" is something I think we can agree on....just that consciousness that needs to stretch into space and see itself in relation to the true potential for destruction that is inherent to the process.. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Consciousness: Physics and eastern wisdom Posted by Sinister Burt I meant in the sense that if the eventual system that emerges is inherently unpredictable, then the particular system that results can only be loosely termed as inherent. Semantics i suppose. The example of evolution is obvious; run the tape again and you'd have very different results, albeit likely ending up in convergence in the various niches - you could say the generality is inherent, but not the specifics, which may or may not include self-consciousness (whatever that's even worth in the biological scheme of things). Less tangible, but the particular properties of the fundamental forces may be similar, in that some people think that the symmetry could have broken in different ways ending up with slightly different values - that all the values are what they are and so suitable for life to emerge is possibly the anthropic principle 'selecting' from many inhospitable universes with nothing like our self-consciousness possible. Top of Form Bottom of Form

The resolution to this quantum problem.. (you might want to read this one as rightly or wrongly Posted by Gerard this is the conclusion to the "theory"), ..is to include ourselves in the equation...not in a limited Cartesian sense (not that he was but it would be here), where only the binary (so called "rational" now-days -"rational"? Certainly NOT logical-), mind appreciates the equations but where the whole being is involved in the trans-formative process. This perforce must involve the rediscovery of humanity as community...evolutionary progress not corrupted by the brutality and viciousness of Social Darwinism....the consequences of which we can no longer avoid...chemicals do it..ecosystems do it...species do it..evolution does not progress only in soft-slopes and gentle movements...it's just that from the perspective of the end of one period of gradual change (and I don't mean technology here I mean the philosophy of the Man on the Clapham Omnibus), the last great upheaval is too far distant to be remembered (and recognised), well by the communal psyche.... Top of Form Bottom of Form

P.S Neither do these "revelations" belong soley.. Posted by Gerard to one secular or religious community.... Top of Form Bottom of Form

Conclusion! Posted by Gerard ..but as we've examined without consciousness the universe is an empty noise...ah that's right should be on this one...we collude in creation when we harmonise with the universe...without our involvement (in a positive sense), the universe cannot maintain coherence and collapses into Khaos...yes that's right it's what I meant to say earlier... time is not what we think it is... Top of Form Bottom of Form

P.S.. Posted by Gerard "If you stare long enough into the abyss the abyss stares back into you!" Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Conclusion! Posted by Gerard Top of Form Bottom of Form

Dr. Moninder Singh Modgil considers how retro-causality is possible Posted by Gerard Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Logos Posted by Gerard It's not applied properly Bert not by a loooong way...sonics in healing and harmonic profiling etc..The point is we need to use the work of all three..and modern "standard model" science more or less ignores the lot! Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Logos Posted by Gerard Same with Emoto...who's electron microscopy and scientific method are faultless..but his work has lead to him holding those "strange views" some find off-putting..and far too weird to integrate into their mechanistic lives.. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Logos Posted by Sinister Burt Why can't other people replicate Emoto's work, and why was he so tight lipped about his exact methods in taking those photos? (selling a book is my default suspicion when a person is, uh, selling a book). I use acoustic theory resonance and harmonics all the time in analysing or creating sound. Resonance is an amazing property that forms the basis of numerous aspects of reality (eg atomic orbitals or planetary orbits) but is quite simple to grasp eg when you push a swing at the end of it's cycle (in resonance) a small amount of energy can stored in the system and build up quickly, whereas if you try and push it when it's halfway back, not so much; this effectively performs a selection of resonant frequencies over non-resonant ones, and so is a form of self-organisation - (same way as on a plucked string - the pluck contains many frequencies; frequencies that can fit on the string (harmonics) can exist because their wavelength fits on the string, whereas non harmonic frequencies are the wrong length to fit and so are damped, leaving only tones (standing waves)). But nothing particularly mysterious is needed for this (except the mystery of how/why it all exists in the first place maybe). Top of Form Bottom of Form

Who has tried? Posted by Gerard I know nothing of this..what's your scientific objection to his work (for it certainly confirms and supports the other two)? Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Who has tried? Posted by Sinister Burt To be lazy, here's wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masaru_Emoto Scientific Criticism Commentators have criticized Emoto for insufficient experimental controls and for not sharing enough details of his approach with the scientific community.[8][18] William A. Tiller, another researcher featured in the documentary What The Bleep Do We Know?, states that Emoto's experiments fall short of proof, since they do not control for other factors in the supercooling of water.[19] In addition, Emoto has been criticized for designing his experiments in ways that leave them prone to manipulation or human error influencing the findings.[8][10][20] Biochemist and Director of Microscopy at University College Cork William Reville wrote, "It is very unlikely that there is any reality behind Emoto's claims."[8] Reville noted the lack of scientific publication and pointed out that anyone who could demonstrate such a phenomenon would become immediately famous and probably wealthy.[8] Writing about Emoto's ideas in the Skeptical Inquirer, physician Harriet A. Hall concluded that it was "hard to see how anyone could mistake it for science".[21] Commenting on Emoto's ideas about clearing water polluted by algae, biologist Tyler Volk stated, "What he is saying has nothing to do with science as I know it."[3] Stephen Kiesling wrote in Spirituality & Health Magazine, "Perhaps Emoto is an evangelist who values the message of his images more than the particulars of science; nevertheless, this spiritual teacher might focus his future practice less on gratitude and more on honesty."[10] Emoto was personally invited to take the One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge by James Randi in 2003, and would have received US$1,000,000 if he had been able to reproduce the experiment under test conditions agreed to by both parties. He did not participate.[22][23] Top of Form Bottom of Form

Other Voices Posted by Gerard "Perhaps Emoto is an evangelist who values the message of his images more than the particulars of science; nevertheless, this spiritual teacher might focus his future practice less on gratitude and more on honesty." Well that's Wiki..this is what I intimated..some questions over purity..but his instruments (or those of they who wish to repeat the experiments), can be checked ..and really it's about those..purity isn't so much an issue if each profile is still clear and distinct..what's causing it...? Water Molecule Clustering "Is water special? The main evidence against water having a memory is that of the very short (~ps) lifetime of hydrogen bonds between the water molecules [1209]. Clearly, in the absence of other materials or surfaces (see later), the specific hydrogen bonding pattern surrounding a solute does not persist when the solute is removed any more than would a cluster around any specified water molecule, or else water would not know which of its myriad past solutes took preference. Indeed the atoms that make up the water molecule only remain together for about a millisecond in liquid water due to proton exchange (see water dissociation). A recent NMR study shows no stable (>1 ms, >5 μM) water clusters are found in homeopathic preparations [712]. It should, however, be noted that the lifetime of hydrogen bonds does not control the lifetime of clusters in the same way that a sea wave may cross an ocean, remaining as a wave and with dependence on its history, but with its molecular content continuously changing*. a Also, the equilibrium concentration of any clusters are governed by thermodynamics not kinetics." http://www1.lsbu.ac.uk/water/memory_of_water.html *italics mine. Top of Form Bottom of Form

Schauberger.... Posted by Gerard Funnily enough (one of), the other guy(s. Ed), who went for all this "stuff" was Viktor Schauberger.. "Shades of Nobel? Schauberger was deeply involved with water-molecule clustering theory and research, more recently "HADO" and the electron-microscopy of Dr.Masaru Emoto have confirmed its veracity. Quote: "Welcome to the homepage of the Centre for Implosion Research. Since 1997 we have been involved in subtle energy and water research, following largely the ideas of Viktor Schauberger. This has resulted in the development of a unique range of products, which are manufactured by us in-house and despatched all over the world. In the industrialised world of today, aqua vivens (= 'living', energetically charged water) is a rarity. In our drinking water supply systems, water is exposed to the detrimental energetic effects of straight unnatural water pipes, high mains pressures and chemical treatments. Water is not allowed to move in its naturally winding way thereby causing loss of life force. We believe that water has a "memory" which is attributed to the dipolar structure of the water. Hundreds of water molecules group together and form clusters, in which colloidal minerals and biophotons (light energy) interact. These clusters are very sensitive structures and are impressionable by vibrational influences. In this way water acts as a receiver and transmitter of information. Homeopathy is based on this principle. The natural world, which we are a part of, moves in a spiralling fashion. This is particularly obvious in shellfish, snails, antelope horns, pine cones and climbing plants such as clematis and ivy. In a more subtle way, all plants grow in a spiralling fashion always turning to face the sun. The DNA of all organisms forms a double helix spiral. Water flowing in a natural meandering river system forms whirls and eddies and never follows a straight path, and like all free falling objects, rain drops, too, fall in a subtly spiralling motion. We believe that this spiralling motion is fundamental to life and is important in ways which have not yet been understood by mainstream science." Go to: https://www.implosionresearch.com/index.html" http://www.arafel.co.uk/2015/09/forbidden-history-and-reich-of-black-sun.html Top of Form Bottom of Form

Re: Logos Posted by Gerard "(except the mystery of how/why it all exists in the first place maybe)." Well quite.. This guy really knows his mantra... ..and this one as-well.. #Mantra Posted by Gerard Top of Form Today's (01/01/18), post to The Lifeboat News message board, re: #StringTheory; ""Re: Consciousness: Physics and eastern wisdom Posted by Sinister Burt I meant in the sense that if the eventual system that emerges is inherently unpredictable, then the particular system that results can only be loosely termed as inherent. Semantics i suppose. The example of evolution is obvious; run the tape again and you'd have very different results, albeit likely ending up in convergence in the various niches - you could say the generality is inherent, but not the specifics, which may or may not include self-consciousness (whatever that's even worth in the biological scheme of things). Less tangible, but the particular properties of the fundamental forces may be similar, in that some people think that the symmetry could have broken in different ways ending up with slightly different values - that all the values are what they are and so suitable for life to emerge is possibly the anthropic principle 'selecting' from many inhospitable universes with nothing like our self-consciousness possible."" Ah Bert yes and also re: "String Theory"....hmmmm...see how valuable discussion is? Ha....."If the weatherman says it's raining etc.!" I put on a waterproof....."unpredictable" to whom? The nadis also inform astrology and ("aye there's the rub"), our individual astrology..string theory only makes sense to manifest consciousness whereby quantum applies...try it I believe those are two different lenses...Yesssss.." Bottom of Form

More on Jacques Benveniste; "The Memory of Water" go to: https://www.nature.com/news/2004/041004/full/news041004-19.html

"One cannot avoid one's fate but one may determine one's own destiny!"

"The Black Hole that Ate Hedge End"

"Will it?
What is there?
Can you find it whilst standing in your good shoes and reaching behind the pasta, a disastrous conclusion?
The void doesn't answer it just expands,
Tarmacked fields witness under floodlights the play of ancients,
Shadows bleeding into darkness as consumed, 
Flesh retreats the shrinking violets of bone and sinew,
Do we grasp the past whilst dancing like celebrants at some mad Sabbat, often colliding all un-heeding?
"We must be off our trolleys",
It's Christmas all year but Christmas is never here!
Is it sentient perhaps or just conceit that consciousness should waste its gaze on us?
Still there is warmth dogging around the halo,
A smile of ; "That's not mine it's yours",
As we struggle, near bereft of hope, not to be the whores we feel."

("Wolf's Head": The Poetry of #Arafel: https://twitter.com/i/moments/926378311365820416 )

Also; "Super-massive black hole 'double burps' light - then has a nap" go to: https://news.sky.com/story/supermassive-black-hole-double-burps-light-then-has-a-nap-11204208?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter&__twitter_impression=true

"Mare's Kiss"

"A bearing few can match turns, wheels,
Rushes up to hang on blue-silver skies,
A call to Davy Jones and away,
Is this how you have seen?

A flash in midday light trapped in city canyons,
Piratical glare,
Immaculate wings inches from the table tops;
'"I am here! I am here!"
Gusts upon the face bestowing Mare's kiss."

Edward Heath; "Will the Past be Buried?" #OperationConifer #OperationYewTree

Quote; "Police said none of the allegations, claiming Sir Edward assaulted victims as young as 10, took place while he was Prime Minister.
“No inference of guilt should be drawn by the decision to interview under caution,” a spokesperson added.
“The account from Sir Edward Heath would have been as important as other evidence gathered as part of the wider investigation.”
They include the alleged rape of an 11-year-old boy, indecent assault of a 10-year-old boy and the indecent assault of a 15-year-old boy during three “paid sexual encounters”, and are said to have occurred between 1961 and 1992 in London, Kent, Sussex, the Channel Islands and Wiltshire.
Chief Constable Mike Veale said there were “compelling and obvious reasons to investigate” the allegations."..
.. "It received 42 disclosures relating to 40 people over 14 different police force areas in the UK.
Of those, 19 were found not to meet the threshold for interview, three complaints were withdrawn, 10 were reported by a third party and another three allegations were made anonymously.
The report revealed that there was “reason to suspect” two people may have intentionally misled the police by claiming that they were abused by Sir Edward.
“In the case of one of these disclosures, a live criminal investigation remains ongoing,” it states.
Another person was formally cautioned for wasting police after admitting that they had misled the investigation falsely claiming to be three different people in three separate claims.
Wiltshire Police said its conduct was scrutinised by an independent panel and a “value for money” review by Her Majesty’s Inspector of Constabulary, which found no wrongdoing.
Operation Hydrant carried out two reviews on Operation Conifer, which concluded that the probe was proportionate and being carried out in line with national guidance.
The report marks the official end of the probe, which was launched in 2015 after Sir Edward was named as a suspect in an investigation into historical child sex abuse.
Its findings will be passed to the wide-ranging Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse, which is being chaired by Professor Alexis Jay." Go to: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sir-edward-heath-report-child-sex-abuse-allegations-investigation-inquiry-grounds-interview-caution-a7984256.html For full article and video.
 
Quote; "The independent inquiry into Child Sex Abuse (IICSA) was forced to issue an apology following the loss of vital evidence in the case that was deleted from their servers.

The data, which would have held testimonies and strong evidence for the inquiry, was said to have been lost due to a 'technical malfunction'.
Despite the technical glitch, the agency said there was no security breach in their systems and ensured that privacy of the victims is not at risk.
Freethought project reports London, UK — The Independent Inquiry Into Child Sex Abuse (IICSA) apologized this week after vital testimony from victims of child sexual abuse was “instantly and permanently deleted” from their servers."...
...."“Due to a change in our website address to http://www.iicsa.org.uk on 14 September, any information submitted to the Inquiry between 14 September and 2 October through the online form on the "Share Your Experience" page of our website, was instantly and permanently deleted before it reached our engagement team. We are very sorry for any inconvenience or distress this will cause and would like to reassure you that no information was put at risk of disclosure or unauthorised access*." Go to: http://www.neon-nettle.com/features/974-uk-government-deletes-entire-database-of-elite-pedophile-ring-evidence- For full article. 

 

*Italics mine. Isn't this the one scenario in these cases that one would be expected to most assiduously avoid?!

 

Barbara Castle drew up dossier on VIP paedophiles: File seized by Special Branch 'heavy mob'

 

Quote; "Lady Castle put together 30 pages of information about alleged attempts by the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) to infiltrate government while seeking funding and trying to persuade MPs to legalise sex with children.

As well as key members of both the Commons and Lords, she found that about 30 prominent businessmen, public school teachers, scoutmasters and police officers had links to PIE.

Yesterday Mr Hale, 61, said: ‘Barbara was horrified at the rapid extent of PIE’s involvement with key people and her file included details of about 16 household-name MPs.’

He said Lady Castle – who at the time was Euro MP Barbara Castle – passed him the dossier and asked if he would write a story based on it." Go to: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2693635/Now-revealed-Barbara-Castle-drew-dossier-VIP-paedophiles-File-seized-Special-Branch-heavy-mob.html For full article.

 

Also see; http://www.arafel.co.uk/2017/01/heath-investigation-continues-epstein.html, http://www.arafel.co.uk/2016/11/those-nice-people-at-boiling-frogs-add.html, http://www.arafel.co.uk/2016/11/yew-haw-poison-in-flesh-childabuse.html, http://www.arafel.co.uk/2016/11/absolute-power.html & http://www.arafel.co.uk/2016/10/the-horrible-cant-possibly-be-true.html

"Generation Zapped"; New Documentary about #WiFi Dangers in Schools..also; Sleep Disturbances, #BT Hotspots and #Hacking #WhyFry

"“A wifi classroom is like the inside of a microwave oven set at very low power. Children are exposed to that wifi radiation six hours every school day, five days a week, and for several months during the year.” – Magda Havas, Associate Professor of Environmental and Resource Studies, Trent University, Canada GENERATION ZAPPED investigates the potential dangers of prolonged exposure to Radio Frequencies (RF) from wireless technology; it’s effects on our health and well-being, as well as the health and development of our children. From its links to breast and brain cancer, to its associations with increased infertility and genetic mutations related to autism and ADHD, to newly developed illnesses, such as Electrical Hyper-Sensitivity (EHS)." https://es-ireland.com/2017/09/13/new-film-generation-zapped-the-health-effects-of-wireless-radiation-on-our-health-well-being/ "BT is exposing customers to unnecessary electromagnetic radiation through its network of private home Wi-Fi routers. All BT Home Hubs are now enabled with a default feature called ‘BT Fon’. ‘Fon’ uses a portion of the broadband customer’s private wireless connection and offers it to the public for use as a local ‘hotspot’. In short, unless the customer actively opts out of ‘Fon’, their router is functioning as a local mast. ‘Fon’ transmits for a distance of approximately 250 metres* and exposes the user to higher levels of radiation exposure. Whereas domestic Wi-Fi routers can be turned off at night or when not in use to reduce exposure, these Fon hubs are active 24/7. Many international bodies are now warning of the risks to health from the ubiquitous use of Wi-Fi and some European countries have taken a precautionary stance by removing it from schools and public spaces. References 1,2,3,4,5,6,7. Some people are particularly sensitive to this form of radiation and suffer immediate acute symptoms such as headache, sleep disturbance, fatigue, heart palpitations/arrhythmia, etc. For others, the effect is chronic and may result in long term cell and tissue damage leading to cancer. Last year, the updated Bioinitiative Report reviewed a further 1800 studies and noted that the most serious health end points from electromagnetic exposure included leukaemia, brain tumours, leakage of the blood-brain barrier and increased risk of the neurodegenerative diseases, Alzheimer’s and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS). The Childhood Cancer Conference in 2012 reported that exposure to electromagnetic fields may also impede recovery and stated that it appeared to decrease the survival time of children in remission from leukaemia." https://www.canceractive.com/cancer-active-page-link.aspx?n=3460 Other Indicators.. "Consumers need to be more aware of the potential dangers of connecting to a public Wi-Fi network, a new security report has warned. Wi-Fi networks in cafés and coffee shops are “high-risk”, according to the study, partly because of their popularity and convenience. Cyber criminals are targeting people who connect to public Wi-Fi networks, and can access their private data without them realising. “Wherever there is an unsecured public Wi-Fi network, there is the threat of attack,” reads a new report from iPass. “However, coffee shops are seen as the most dangerous public Wi-Fi venue of all.” Research involving 500 CIO and IT decision makers from the UK, US, Germany and France found that coffee shops are the most popular places to connect to a public Wi-Fi network, followed by airports and hotels. “Our research shows that man-in-the-middle attacks are considered to be the greatest mobile security concern of using public Wi-Fi hotpots (69 percent),” the report explains." http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/wifi-hotpots-coffee-shop-dangerous-security-risk-report-a7750091.html New study links phone use and mental health issues in teens Quote; "July 3, 2017, 8:15 AM| A new study in the journal Child Development shows nighttime usage of a cell phone can increase anxiety and depression in teenagers and reduce self-esteem. This is the first study that shows a direct link between screen time and mental health. Psychologist and CBS News contributor Lisa Damour joins "CBS This Morning" to discuss tips for parents who want to decrease their teens' cell phone usage and how screen time affects important sleep habits." https://www.cbsnews.com/videos/new-study-links-phone-use-and-mental-health-issues-in-teens/ For updates and the "Arafel" biomagnetics and #EMR archive please see Twitter Moment: https://twitter.com/i/moments/930097464530690052

BBC Didn't Deign to Broadcast most Scathing Interview (so "we" are): #DPAC #UNCRPD #UN #UniversalCredit #Austerity #IllegalState #CentreforSocialJustice

Quote; "A BBC interview, of which only 20 seconds out of more than 10 minutes were broadcast, has come to light. And it has exposed the UN’s most scathing attack on the Conservative government to date.

Published by the UN, it reveals the organisation thinks that austerity is “life threatening” to many disabled people in the UK. And it sees the government’s actions potentially leading to “killings and euthanasia”, because it has helped create a society where a whole group of people are viewed as “parasites”. But it’s an interview the BBC completely dumbed down for its viewers.

A ‘human catastrophe’

 

In August, the UN Committee on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (UNCRPD) met in Geneva, Switzerland. It was assessing if the UK government meets its obligations under the UN Convention on the Rights of Disabled People.

And it was publicly unequivocal in its opinion on how disabled people are treated by the Conservative government. Its Chair, Theresia Degener, said in a statement seen by The Canary:

Disabled people: ‘parasites’ who could be ‘killed’

 

In the BBC interview, one of the UN’s most scathing comments was about public attitudes towards disabled people. Degener said that the government and the media “have some responsibility” for society seeing disabled people as “parasites, living on social benefits… and [living on] the taxes of other people”. And she said these “very, very dangerous” attitudes could  “lead to violence… and if not, to killings and euthanasia”. And she urged the government to “stop” this:" Go to: https://www.thecanary.co/uk/2017/09/15/bbc-didnt-broadcast-uns-scathing-interview-ever-uk-government-full-audio/ For full article and audio of this interview.

 

4 out of 5 Default Under Universal Credit: Flassbeck Economics

 

Quote; "Since the conservatives came to power in 2010, one million jobs in the public sector have been lost (see here). The champions of austerity have more than doubled national debt. It is now the sixth-highest of any advanced economy. Today, 4.2 million disabled people live in poverty in the UK. As a UN committee wrote, government policies in the UK “have caused grave and systematic violations in the rights of disabled people” (see below). The number of homeless people in the UK has doubled since 2010 (see here, here and here for a report of the Department of Communities and Local Government). When the Tories returned to power in 2010, there were some 66 food banks in the UK. Today, there are more than 2.000 and they cannot keep up. The Universal Credit Scheme (“social welfare”) that the Tories have introduced leads to an avalanche of evictions (see here; today, 4 out of 5 people who have been transferred to this new scheme face eviction because they are unable to pay rent (see here and here))*. But no problem, the Tories are cooking up a scheme which may ultimately prevent up to four million people from voting in the next general election (see here). Last Saturday, Boris Johnson repeated his scandalous Brexit lie about the £350 million a week that the UK would invest in the NHS if the country would be out of the EU (see here for an excellent article on Theresa May, her government and all the Brexit lies). For the rest, it is all about the immigrants – May’s personal pathological obsession." Go to: http://www.flassbeck-economics.com/the-tories-are-using-the-brexit-to-turn-the-uk-into-a-right-wing-dictatorship/ For full article.

 

*Italics mine 

 

Millions of the UK’s poorest families driven into deeper poverty

 

Quote; "Commissioned by the LGA, “The Cumulative Impact of Welfare Reform: A national picture,” shows the impact of welfare reform across the whole of the UK. It assesses the devastating impact of welfare cuts, growing inflation and ever-steeper rent rises in the private sector.
The study examined over 40 local authorities, representing 9.1 million households, receiving either a Department for Work and Pensions benefit, Housing Benefit, or Tax Credits. The data was examined via a modelling tool, the Benefits and Budgeting Calculator, used to measure the impact of reforms that have taken place and those yet to come.

It finds that reductions in household income will hit poorest families hardest, with more than 84 percent of lone parents or couples with children set to lose up to £50 a week or more in income.
The government’s overall agenda, dressed up as welfare “reform,” is underpinned by slashing welfare spending and encouraging people to move from benefits into work. By 2015, after five years of austerity, the Conservative/Liberal Democrats coalition had slashed nearly £17 billion from the social security budget. Theresa May’s current Tory government is committed to a further £12 billion in welfare cuts by 2018. This equates to a £1,500 cut for 8 million households in the two years to 2018." Go to: http://truepublica.org.uk/united-kingdom/millions-uks-poorest-families-driven-deeper-poverty/ For full and extensive article.

Mother kills herself after son’s disability benefits slashed

Quote; "A mother committed suicide after asking mental health workers “What have I got to do? Top myself to get help for my son?”.
73-year-old Valerie Grant walked in front of a train on 23rd April after a string of benefits and support were taken from her severely autistic son James, 37.

Shocking removal of support

 

In the months leading to Mrs Grant’s suicide, Mr Grant was devastated by the removal of his disability benefits.
He had his support system completely stripped away from him by the Department for Work and Pensions. The inquest heard:

• He lost his work placement as a bin man
• He was told he would lose his disability allowance
• He discovered he did not qualify for PIP (personal independence payments)
• He was informed that he no longer qualified for day care
• He was turned down for accommodation

 

Suicidal 

Mrs Grant had a history of depression. On the 10th January, she scored 96% for the severity of her mental health state after telling her GP she was suffering suicidal thoughts.
Following this, she was given a routine appointment which she did not attend."..

"An inquest in Cannock concluded ‘she had taken her own life whilst suffering from depression.’
Coroner Andrew Haigh accepted that lack of support was the main issue. He said:

There were a number of agencies involved, but nobody took a lead. I do have concerns about the lack of support, but I don’t think there’s any one agency that I can write to to try to remedy this,

Mr Haigh has previously raised concerns about the possible link between benefits and suicides, calling it a “worthwhile issue to explore”.
In an emotional outburst at the hearing, Mrs Grant’s stepson, Stuart Grant, shouted:

It is just being swept under the carpet. One agency blames another agency and they can get away with it.

Tragically common 

 

Sadly, Mrs Grant’s decision to end her life shortly after such dismal decisions by the DWP is not an isolated incident." Go to: http://evolvepolitics.com/mother-killed-get-help-son-disability-benefits-slashed/ For full article.

Disability assessors 'lack right skills'

Quote; "A report from a UN committee has criticised the UK government for its treatment of disabled people, saying it needs to do much more to protect the rights of the disabled.
The UK is required to regularly report to the UN on how it is honouring the Convention on the Rights of People with Disabilities*.
Anastasia Tempest, who lives in York, has cerebral palsy and uses a wheelchair.
She told 5 live’s Tony Livesey: "Social care managers are not equipped, and lack skill, in knowing how to assess people with disabilities."
She said she was asked "quite ridiculous" questions in her assessment, including "who does your eyeshadow?" and "do you put your own earrings in?"
A government spokesman said: “We’re disappointed that this report does not accurately reflect the evidence we gave to the UN, and fails to recognise all the progress we’ve made to empower disabled people."
He said the UK spent a record £50bn a year to support disabled people and those with health conditions - the second highest amount in the G7.
The UK was committed to furthering rights for all disabled people, he said, adding that almost 600,000 had moved into work over four years." Go to: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-41117812/disability-assessors-lack-right-skills

*Bold italics mine...How many Brits know that this is the case? Is the process open to public submissions?

 

"Case managers like me are well-trained to deal with any claimants threatening suicide" Quote; ""It is not uncommon for charities and support workers to inform case managers – the ones whose job it is to assess people for universal credit and other benefits – of the law, rather than the other way round. Full-time case managers on average handle in the region of 300 claims each. We recently started a new way of working whereby tasks are prioritised in a “trigger” approach, meaning we often only have time to look at the highest risk cases. Payments and “payment blockers” are the first priority but many case managers struggle to make it past these on a daily basis. Claimants are told that they must fill out an online “universal credit journal” about their job searches and keep it up to date in order to release the benefit – their “work coach” is the person who’s supposed to keep in touch with them about those notes. But in reality, claimants are putting important journal messages about jobs and interviews online all the time, and the case managers and work coaches can’t reply. Each employee has dozens of other unseen journal messages they simply don’t have enough time to address." Go to: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/universal-credit-dwp-worker-case-manager-benefits-system-government-food-banks-a7998196.html for full article.  Arafel:  I know from personal experience that if the claimant wants to appeal an Employment and Support Allowance decision they may not claim Universal Credit during the process of appeal (and this is true during the initial "mandatory" reconsideration period also), such appellants may only apply for Job Seekers Allowance. What genuine appellant will subject themselves to the JSA regime? Most find the notion frightening and will avoid the strictures of JSA if at all possible. I wanted my ESA claim reconsidered but have been forced by this policy to try to claim the disability component of Universal Credit. I was without benefits of any kind for approx. four weeks following my unsuccessful ESA claim, the Govt. are now billing me for this pleasure and (like 4-5 U.C claimants), I now have a rent debt and am receiving less (following deductions), than I would be on JSA! We are a constitutional monarchy that relies on the judiciary to direct parliament concerning its legislation, who I ask you sanctioned this particular mugging of the vulnerable? It is legal nonsense.    The bias inherent in the assessment process for ESA and UC claimants detailed in the story below is precisely what I experienced, in-fact my ESA appeal was to be based primarily on the breathtaking lack of inquiry made as to the state of my mental and emotional health. I had just lost an upper tribunal appeal for Personal Independence Payment that supported a decision not to award me the benefit based on a score of six points (where PIP starts at eight points), the ESA assessor some months later scored me zero points out of fifteen ("Theresa I can walk!"). How the Tories Use the Language of Social Justice to Sell Us Social Injustice Quote; "Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith excels at this kind of redefinition, setting up a think-tank, the "Centre for Social Justice", to lend intellectual heft to his politics. The CSJ is a remarkable exercise in finding evidence to fit conclusions, with its "Breakdown Britain" report recommending marriage as a solution to all social ills, and sending its researchers to the US to formulate the basis for Conservative "workfare" policy. Both Duncan Smith, in his endless references to drug addicts and the permanently jobless, and his pet think-tank, promote the idea of a parasitical "underclass" that need shaking out of dependency, and use that analysis to gut social provision across the board. It didn't matter that the analysis was discredited by countless social scientists and historians: it gave IDS the chance to redefine "social justice" as a matter of personal moral probity, so cuts were a painful but necessary medicine, rather than a matter of entrenched wealth gaps, inequality of opportunity or exploitative employment – matters unexamined by the "independent" CSJ."  Go to: https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/9bjg9p/conservatives-use-the-language-of-social-justice-to-pursue-socially-unjust-policies for full article. The job coach has decided this person can work 1 hour per week and for no more than 12 (twelve) minutes each day Quote; "The  ‘job coach’ – a title given to a jobcentre worker  – has decided that this person can and indeed must contract to look for work in order to receive "Universal Credit" (not "ESA" ed.  Arafel), which is paid at the same amount as job seekers allowance (JSA) of £73.10 per week. The job coach has decided this person can work 1 hour per week and for no more than 12 (twelve) minutes each day and with a 45 minute travel time to and from each 12 minute maximum spell of work each day. This scrounger is FIT FOR WORK according to the DWP! As you can see at the top of the page it lists what practical conditions this person has in terms of employment. The person: Cannot stand for more than 5 minutes Cannot sit for more than 5 minutes Cannot work further than 100 metres Cannot operate machinery as medication makes here drowsy Cannot operate machinery as medication causes concentration problems Cannot travel more than 45 minutes each way to work (the usual stipulation is 90 minutes each way!) Yet this woman is FIT FOR WORK according to the DWP and can work for up to TWELVE MINUTES PER DAY. This genuine letter describes what the DWP and the Tory government mean when they say you are FIT FOR WORK. In DWP and Tory-speak FIT FOR work is the lowest common denominator and if you are fit to work for this 1 hour per week though it could easily be 1 minute per week you are deemed as fit for work. The fact that no employer would ever employ anyone for 12 minutes each day has no bearing whatsoever on being deemed ‘fit for work’ and having to show that you have sought work for this time as a legally binding commitment in order to receive the same £73.10 per week that a fully-abled body and mind person receives. (Please excuse terminology) IF and at the absolute discretion of the job coach you have not done enough to search for work then they have the absolute power to sanction the person which means no benefit paid at all and for up to three years!" Go to: https://speyejoe2.wordpress.com/2017/08/25/fit-for-work-oh-do-feck-off/ for full article. "Parity of Esteem" #MentalHealth Quote; "The Tories are currently claiming that they have given ‘parity of esteem’ to mental health. Yet just last week the SKWAWKBOX shared the account of someone with severe mental health issues who just weeks ago was denied support based on a series of questions, by a private company on behalf of the DWP (Dept for Work & Pensions), that concerned only physical health. The film below is four years old. It was made by Tyneside Mind – and it won the 2013 Royal Television Society Award Winner for ‘Best Factual Non Broadcast’. Yet only a little over 21,000 people have seen it. That needs to become every single person in this country. In August, the mainstream media and the Establishment – including right-wing Labour MPs – rounded on the excellent Labour MP Laura Pidcock for saying that she regards Tory MPs as ‘the enemy’ because of the harm they do to people. The vast majority of people, watching this film, will find it impossible to disagree with her. Four years ago, this video typified the experience of many people – with mental and physical health problems – in the devastating impact of government determination to remove support from those who need it. The situation has only grown worse since." Go to: https://skwawkbox.org/2017/10/24/every-person-in-uk-needs-to-see-this-short-film-wca-consciouscruelty/ Velvet Glove? It's the "soft" British Fascist version of the NAZI slave state except our huge subterranean concentration camps contain thousands upon thousands performing only one task once a week (for a life-sapping bowl of gruel and water); ...."Use your 'ead Tommy!!" "Alright Ganger!" BANG! Aside; "Tommy hasn't got any arms but he's productive!" World is ignoring human rights of poor despite disproportionate abuses – UN expert Quote; "GENEVA (16 October 2017) – The world’s poor are at disproportionate risk of torture, arrest, early death and domestic violence, but their civil and political rights are being airbrushed out of the picture, UN Special Rapporteur on extreme poverty Philip Alston has warned in a hard-hitting statement to mark International Day for the Eradication of Poverty on 17 October. Even human rights groups are failing to draw the link between civil and political rights violations and poverty. Alston, who will report on the issue to the General Assembly later this month, said it was shocking that on the 25th anniversary of the international day, so much remained to be done: “If you are a victim of torture, the chances are significant that you are also poor. The same applies if you are a woman or a child who is a victim of domestic abuse. As a poor individual, you are more likely to be arrested and prosecuted for crimes and, if you are, you are less likely to be able to afford a lawyer. The poor experience additional barriers when they want to vote and often have virtually no influence on political decision-making. In short, people in lower socio-economic classes are much more likely to get killed, tortured or experience an invasion of their privacy, and are far less likely to realize their right to vote, or otherwise participate in the political process. Development and human rights organizations, as well as Governments, mostly ignore violations of the civil and political rights of the poor, with terrible results. Key international agencies, such as the World Bank and the OECD, ignore human rights altogether and have paid no attention to the specific civil and political rights of those living in poverty. Even those working in international human rights, including many UN Special Rapporteurs, experts, groups and committees, often focus on civil and political rights violations without dealing with the fact that these are interlinked with poverty. The same applies to international human rights NGOs. Analytical work like the 2006 report by the World Organization Against Torture (OMCT) on the root causes of torture is the proverbial exception that proves the rule. Airbrushing the civil and political rights of the poor out of the picture has taken several forms. Firstly, human rights organizations have assumed that poverty can be explained exclusively by various forms of discrimination. But the use of a surrogate lens is clearly inadequate for capturing the very specific consequences of the varied forms of discrimination, oppression, stigma and violence experienced by many of the poor on a daily basis. Secondly, virtually all Governments, UN human rights bodies, and human rights organizations have ignored the fact that key provisions in all major human rights treaties prohibit discrimination of any kind on grounds of social origin, property, birth or other status. The result is that discrimination based on socio-economic class is hardly ever part of any analysis. I call for a new approach by the human rights community, the development community and Governments that gives due attention to how often and how exactly the civil and political rights of the poor are violated*." Go to: http://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=22237&LangID=E For full article. *Italics mine.   Arafel: Recommended Emendations to Universal Credit 1. An immediate rise in all benefit levels and the minimum wage. 2. No ESA claimant changing to the new system is to lose their entitlement to Universal Credit Disability Component payments until they have been assessed and a mandatory appeal entered into (if requested), and dismissed (this could be done by the simple expedient of treating the U.C disability component assessment as the re-application for ESA it would otherwise have been). 3. There will be no advance payments made as loans, all advance payments made to successful applicants for any component of Universal Credit should be treated as a component of the benefit. 4. No one in receipt of Housing Benefit is to have that stopped at any time. 5. Housing Benefit payments and the Housing Benefit component of U.C should be paid directly to the landlords. 6. New Universal Credit claimants should enter into an introductory period lasting not less than six months when their capabilities can be properly assessed and orientation "workshops" attended (a number of creative ideas could be tried regarding targeted "field trips" -et.al-, for certain demographics within the system etc.). Please see Twitter "Moment" for updates to these stories and previous posts concerning electric bicycles and mobility, go to: https://twitter.com/i/moments/922709645877235712

Tactical Nukes, "Rods of God" and Space Rocket X: The U.S Continues to Militarise Space #SpaceWeapons #NKorea #Proliferation

Quote; "Since 1967, there has been an agreement among 107 countries that prohibits the use of biological, nuclear and chemical weapons from outer space.

These Air Force 'rods from god' could hit with the force of a nuclear weapon

The Air Force now draws new attention with their latest weapon development: super-strong tungsten rods that can be fired from space to any city on Earth.
These can hit their targets with a force comparable to that of intercontinental missiles, reports the military news site „We Are The Mighty“." Go to: http://www.disclose.tv/news/the_us_air_force_has_a_new_weapon_as_strong_as_a_nuclear_bomb__but_without_fallout/140227 For full article and videos.

Quote; "During the Vietnam War, the US used what it called "Lazy Dog" bombs. These were simply solid steel pieces, less than 2 inches long, fitted with fins. There was no explosive — they were simply dropped by the hundreds from planes flying above Vietnam.
Lazy Dog projectiles (aka "kinetic bombardment") could reach speeds of up to 500 mph as they fell to the ground and could penetrate 9 inches of concrete after being dropped from as little as 3,000 feet.
The idea is like shooting bullets at a target, except instead of losing velocity as it travels, the projectile is gaining velocity and energy that will be expended on impact. They were shotgunning a large swath of jungle, raining bullet-size death at high speeds.
That's how Project Thor came to be.

Instead of hundreds of small projectiles from a few thousand feet, Thor used a large projectile from a few thousand miles above the Earth. The "rods from god" idea was a bundle of telephone-pole-size (20 feet long, 1 foot in diameter) tungsten rods, dropped from orbit, reaching a speed of up to 10 times the speed of sound.
The rod itself would penetrate hundreds of feet into the Earth, destroying any potential hardened bunkers or secret underground sites. More than that, when the rod hits, the explosion would be on par with the magnitude of a ground-penetrating nuclear weapon — but with no fallout.
It would take 15 minutes to destroy a target with such a weapon.
One Quora user who works in the defense aerospace industry quoted a cost of no less than $10,000 a pound to fire anything into space. With 20 cubic feet of dense tungsten weighing in at just over 24,000 pounds, the math is easy. Just one of the rods would be prohibitively expensive. The cost of $230 million a rod was unimaginable during the Cold War.
These days, not so much. The Bush administration even considered revisiting the idea to hit underground nuclear sites in rogue nations in the years following 9/11. Interestingly enough, the cost of a single Minuteman III ICBM was $7 million in 1962, when it was first introduced ($57 million adjusted for inflation).
The trouble with a nuclear payload is that it isn't designed to penetrate deep into the surface. And the fallout from a nuclear device can be devastating to surrounding, potentially friendly areas.
A core takeaway from the concept of weapons like Project Thor's is that hypersonic weapons pack a significant punch and may be the future of global warfare*." Go to: http://uk.businessinsider.com/air-force-rods-from-god-kinetic-weapon-hit-with-nuclear-weapon-force-2017-9?r=US&IR=T
For full article.

Nb. All the videos of the "Nuke Strike" on Yemen are now..."no videos found" on Blogger embed...url paste will not reveal either, go to:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=84&v=4VZmxDCbRVM and/or see the Arafel archive..(Edit; this was true for me at least at time of writing, however a "Lion's Ground" video did embed today and quite frankly it is one of the best I've seen on this subject, text and video now appears on; "NEW Footage of #Yemen Bunker Buster and Nafeez Ahmed on War Crimes #SaudiArabia #Israel #UN #MiddleEastEye" Go to:
http://www.arafel.co.uk/2017/07/new-raw-footage-of-yemen-bunker-buster.html edited 14/09/2017)


*Arafel: Uninformed and/or disingenuous from Business Insider here (the usual circumlocution from the "money men" -however if BI say it's going down you can bet there will have to be a very good reason why it doesn't-), bunker busting nukes have in-fact proliferated, I see this initiative as a response to precisely those problems, there are after all supposed to be prohibitions against the use of nuclear weapons no matter what the size (although if the videos of the strike on Yemen are valid a "small one" is hardly something one would set off in the garden), Was this what President Trump was referring to recently when he said;  "fire and fury like the world has never seen"? For surely any president would prefer to make an appropriate response without having to resort to nuclear weapons? It seems strange that no-one has yet publicly examined the nature and strength of North Korea's defences, you can build some awful big, deep bunkers with all that focused people power, it's not even a question of tech just muscle (especially given the longevity of the N.Korean regime).

Quote;  "A military space plane spread its wings and a rocket stretched its legs during SpaceX’s Sept. 7 launch of a classified mission from NASA’s Kennedy Space Center.
The 230-foot Falcon 9 rocket rumbled from historic pad 39A at 10 a.m., as weather cooperated a day before Brevard County planned mandatory barrier island evacuations ahead of Hurricane Irma’s projected arrival.

On top of the rocket was the Air Force’s X-37B Orbital Test Vehicle, an unmanned mini-shuttle resembling one of NASA’s retired orbiters, but about a quarter the size at 29 feet long and windowless. The program was riding for the first time on a SpaceX rocket, after four turns on United Launch Alliance’s Atlas V.

The X-37B Orbital Test Vehicle (OTV-5) is being staged in preparation for its upcoming launch on September 7, 2017.

To preserve the mission’s secrecy, SpaceX cut off its broadcast a few minutes into the flight, after nine Merlin main engines cut off and the first-stage booster fell away.
About two hours later, Gen. John Raymond, the head of Air Force Space Command, confirmed on Twitter that the launch was a success.
Boeing, which built and operates two reusable X-37B orbiters housed in former shuttle hangars at KSC, did the same.
After separating, the roughly 16-story Falcon booster pirouetted in space and flew back toward a pad on Cape Canaveral Air Force Station.
The rocket stage touched down on four landing legs, announcing its return with sonic booms that reported across the region." Go to: http://www.wearethemighty.com/news/this-secret-air-force-spaceplane-just-got-shot-into-orbit-again For full article.

 Use of tactical nuclear weapons discussed with South Korea

Quote; "WASHINGTON – Defense Secretary Jim Mattis confirmed Monday that the U.S. and South Korea have discussed employing tactical nuclear weapons as an option to defend against North Korea’s nuclear weapons program.

The acknowledgment from Mattis comes as the U.S. and international community grapple with increasingly aggressive nuclear weapons testing by North Korea.

In the last few weeks, North Korea has tested an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of reaching the U.S. mainland and tested a hydrogen bomb, according to U.S. Strategic Command’s assessment of the program.

Last Thursday, as Mattis was at STRATCOM assessing the U.S. nuclear posture, North Korea fired another intermediate range missile over Japan, sending millions of Japanese citizens into shelters."...

.."The U.S. has around 500 B-61 low-yield, or “tactical” nuclear gravity bombs ― some with yields as small as 0.3 kilotons in their arsenal, said James McKeon, a nuclear weapons analyst for the Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation." Go to: http://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2017/09/18/mattis-use-of-tactical-nuclear-weapons-discussed-with-south-korea/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EBB%2009.19.2017&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief For full article.