Friday 19 June 2015

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Posted by Will on June 18, 2015, 1:26 pm

Washington Post picked up on that documentary I posted below.

A new documentary asks: Did the British state collude with Northern Irish terrorists?

This week British Prime Minister David Cameron will meet his Irish counterpart, Taoiseach Enda Kenny, in London to discuss matters such as the current political deadlock in Ireland and the potential British exit from the European Union. Yet the talk may not only deal with the future or the present: "Legacy issues" are also due to be discussed by the pair.

According to the Irish Times, this is currently understood to refer to British government documents about the 1974 bombings in Dublin and Monaghan that left 34 dead. The Ulster Volunteer Force, a loyalist paramilitary group from Northern Ireland, claimed responsibility for that attack in the 1990s, but there have long been suspicions that British security forces had also colluded in the plot.

There are many that hope, however, that the discussion of alleged British state collusion with loyalist paramilitaries during the Troubles that raged in Northern Ireland from the late 1960s to the late 1990s will go much further than that. And a damning new documentary, aired on Monday evening by semi-state broadcaster Raidió Teilifís Éireann (RTE), has only added further to that.

RTE's "Collusion," which you can watch in full here, contains a remarkable number of allegations, including that the Royal Ulster Constabulary (the police force in Northern Ireland until it was dissolved in 2001), had a unit that worked with various loyalist paramilitary groups to attack Nationalist and Republican leaders, and that sections of the British Army were passing on weapons, expertise, and intelligence on to groups who then used it for attacks.

"If ordinary Catholics were shot, nobody was too worried about it," John Weir, a former RUC sergeant, says at the start of the documentary. Weir later says that "security services, army intelligence, special branch" were linked to the Dublin-Monaghan bombings and that many were fearful (or perhaps hopeful) of an all-out civil war breaking out.

Remarkably, the accusations of collusion included in the documentary go right up to the 1990s. "Collusion" even reveals how official concerns about the links between the British state and paramilitary groups were raised with British Prime Minister Edward Heath and his successor Margaret Thatcher, but they were dismissed. However, declassified documents "now show the British government was well-aware of collusion," the documentary says.

As shocking "Collusion" is, these allegations aren't totally new. Some of Weir's allegations were included in a 2003 report by former Irish Supreme Court judge Henry Barron. That report investigated the Dublin-Monaghan bombing and concluded that "there are grounds for suspecting that the bombers may have had assistance from members of the security forces."

A 2013 book by Anna Cadwallader, "Lethal Allies," took a detailed look at the links the RUC and the British army had with loyalist paramilitary forces. "It can be demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt that there was systemic collusion in these cases," Cadwallader said in an interview with the Guardian.

And just earlier this year, the BBC's Panorama published its own investigation into alleged collusion. "They were running informants and their argument was that they were saving lives, but hundreds and hundreds of people died because these people were not brought to justice," Baroness Nuala O'Loan, Northern Ireland's first police ombudsman, told Panorama, adding that this practice allowed impunity for "killers" and even "serial killers."

Even so, RTE's documentary caused a huge stir on Twitter, with many surprised it had taken this long for the documentary to be made. Now the Pat Finucane Center, named after a human rights lawyer killed by a loyalist group acting with the help of British security forces, and others have publicly called for an independent inquiry into British collusion.

"We must ensure that there is adequate accountability for the past so that these dirty tactics are never utilised again," Yasmine Ahmed, director of Rights Watch UK, said in a statement.

Whether this will happen is anyone's guess – Ireland and Britain may well want to focus on the economic matters of the present and the future rather than the more troubling past. And given the huge cost and slow progress of Britain's Chillcot Inquiry, which looked into the British role in the Iraq war and still has not had its findings released, Cameron may hesitate to look even deeper into the murkier moments of Britain's history.

Re: Did the British state collude with Northern Irish terrorists?

Posted by Gerard on June 19, 2015, 8:41 am, in reply to "Did the British state collude with Northern Irish terrorists?"

Yes, yes, yes of-course it "goes further"..Have you read Stalker or Stephen Dorril*? The involvement of the former S.O.E administration (like Airey Neave)? The direct response of American Republicanism to Democrat investment in the nationalist cause provided a neat "back-door" into the British establishment (through the loyalist paramilitaries and "lodges"), for The "Illumi-nutty" (re: "American Dad", do see that episode it does indeed involve Mr.J.Carter). "The Mull" was just the tightening-of-the screw, we".. (the British).. "are not "equal partners" in the relationship, both "old" and "new" money in America has always longed for nothing more than the subservience of our Monarchy because? Because it fulfills America's Manifest Exceptional Social-Darwinian Utilitarian Destiny! They have never wished for anything more than to be able to say to Elizabeth; "Maam with these Ferrero Roche you are spoiling us!" as she serves them in her "pinny"!

* He's worth a read.. " All posts to MediaLens message board.

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